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A 1972 CIA Intelligence Information Report relaying a US attendee's account of a speculative Kardashev-Sakharov paper on charged-mass collapse in space at the 1971 Origins of Life conference in Yerevan, Armenia, plus remarks on a Soviet 'flying saucer committee.'
CIA-UAP-008, Speculative Paper By N Kardashev and A Sakharov on Charged Mass in Space at Conference on Origins Of Life, Armenia, 6-8 September 1971/Low Scientific Level Of Other Soviet Papers
A 1972 CIA Intelligence Information Report relaying a US attendee's account of a speculative Kardashev-Sakharov paper on charged-mass collapse in space at the 1971 Origins of Life conference in Yerevan, Armenia, plus remarks on a Soviet 'flying saucer committee.'
The report (No. 00-B-321/00770-72, dated 10 April 1972) consists of edited abstracts from a letter by a US attendee at the Conference on the Origins of Life in Yerevan, Armenia, 6-8 September 1971. N.S. Kardashev of the Institute for Space Research, Moscow, co-authoring with theoretical physicist Andrei D. Sakharov, presented a paper on what happens when a charged mass collapses in space, arguing it would bounce back into a different part of space time rather than vanish past gravitational singularity. The US attendee judged most Soviet papers at the conference to be of low scientific level, including a 'serious talk' on flying saucers by a member of a Soviet committee established to investigate unusual phenomena. Astronomer I.S. Shklovskiy told the US attendee the 'flying saucer committee' consisted of politicians, theorists, and historians with little scientific talent.
Another Soviet, who was a member of a committee the USSR has established to investigate unusual phenomena, in other words, flying saucers, gave a@ serious talk which was actually very humorous.p.2
Shklovskiy remarked later te 3 US attendee that the "flying saucer committee" consists of many poli- ticians, theorists, historians and similar type people. It has little if any scientific talent.p.2
Ginzburg said, “Well, if it helps to build up support for the Soviet reseorchers to ect new astronomical equipment, then certainly the Con- Terence makes sense."p.2
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------------------ App r oved f o r Re l ease 202 6 . .• DIIECTOIATI Of INTWIOOICI ··- ··-- ---- --- ----------- -- ~- . ···- ··- - --· -- - • ---- .. ------ ___ ....,._ Intelligence Information Report COUNTRY USSH REPOP.TNO. 00-B-'321/0770')-72 · 10Apr72 SUBJECT Specw.ati ve Paper by li KardubeY and DATE OISTlt. /\ Sakharov on Charged Hus in Cpa.;.,e nt Cont'erenee on Orici,'13 or Lite, NO. PAGH 2 Armenia, 6-6 September 1971/IAw Scientific Level ot' Other S~v:let DCS Cue ST,026 Pnpers DATE Of INFO. 6-8 September 1911 PLACE & DATE ACQ. BY SOURCE Yerevan/6-6 September 1971 THr4i IS UNEVAWATEO INFORMATION SOURCE US cithen! fni1a report consists or edited abstracts trom a 1 etter recel ved from a reliable colleague who attended the Yerevan Conference, .. l, 2. At the Conference on the Origins of Lite in Yerevo.n, Armenia, $SR, 6-8 Septemher 1971, NS ~.ardashev, Ins titute for Sp~c~ Research, Moscov, r e ad an interesting but highly Dpeculative paper he had prepared on r.enera.l relativity and the possibility of a bod;f collap3inc into a black hole in apace. His co-author vas tbe internationally f81110us theoretica.l. physicist, Andrei D Su.harov. Y..o.rda.ohev iD very much like hi s superior and former teacher at the Institute, IS Shklovskiy, in his cq>proaeh to acientific problems. Ile is not at'raid to speculate in his effort to find a solution, The Kardnshev-Sakharov paper concerned the authors' study of vhat hnppene when a charged mass or bod,v collapses in space. Knrdn.:.hcv stnteci that, if it \·~re not cha.ri;ed, the mass would Just collnpse pas t the point of ~ravitational singularity and be gone forever. In other words, the mass vould close in on itself and have no more contact with t he outside ' i I l ·1 I I I I I I world. 'l'he Soviets speculated on what vould happen 1 f the mass were charged. '!'hey stated that t hen the mnse vould be o.ble to boW1ce. It would collapse but boW1ce back out. Hovcver, the mass will come back into n different part of space time. 3. After his presentation, Kardashev told a US attendee that Sakharov vo.s mo~tly interested in this charced mass phenomenon study becaus e it in d.i.catcs that the structure of space may be much more complicated than i s preaently thought. Kardashev vas interested i n the s t udy from t he vi evpoint or what implications it has for o.strophysi c~ , provided the basic pnysics of the phenomenon 1s correct, 'l'he US attendee f elt the a uthors • speculation vas a little fantastic and they had tllkcn off in Ii rather vild vo.y. lfovcver, he believed their paper vas grounded in e ood and sound physica, . I I . ' s 5 4 4 J J 2 2
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4. ‘The US attendee considers Kardashev to be very competent technically
and further to be very self-possessed. He recalled on incident in the i
spring of 1971 when Kardashev, L I Matveyenko and he visited Academician :
Lev Artsimovicn, secretary of the Academy's Department of General :
Physics and Astronomy. Matveyenko, Institute for Cosmic Research, is
a Conmunist Party member and very expert in political matters. He was
almost cringing in Artsimovich's presence whereas Kardashev was cool
; and confident in his businesselike discuss‘ons with the senior Academi-
cian. :
5. In seneral, the scientific level of wost of the Soviet papers nt this
Conference was not very high. One little know Soviet [source could not
recall his name) gave a very naive paper on the detectability of planets.
Another Soviet, who was a member of a committee the USSR has established
to investigate unusual phenomena, in other words, flying saucers, gave
a@ serious talk which was actually very humorous. His approach was,
"Well, of course, we know there isn't anything to this alleged phenome-
non (flying saucers), but on the other hand---." During this talk
Shklovskiy and other Soviets joked and laughed and obviously did nat
take the speaker's remarks seriously. Shklovskiy remarked later te 3
US attendee that the "flying saucer committee" consists of many poli-
ticians, theorists, historians and similar type people. It has little
if any scientific talent.
6. Shklovskiy gave a general, entertaining talk on wome interesting but
unimportant subject. Vitaliy L Ginzburg, one of the leading astronomers
in tne USSR, also gave a talk on the basis of physic:1 theory, that is,
the identification and comparison of fundamental assunotions in physics.
Ginzburr has a first rate mind and is sounder in his phrsics knowledce
than Ghklovskiy. Ginzburg thinks realistically, which wa: shown in ni:
answer to a US attendee's question about the Conference. “he Soviet
was asked whether the Conference was worthwhile in that it -.as mostly
devoted to theoretical subjects, very remote from tangible goals.
Ginzburg said, “Well, if it helps to build up support for the Soviet
reseorchers to ect new astronomical equipment, then certainly the Con-
Terence makes sense."
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------------------ App r oved f o r Re l ease 202 6 . .• DIIECTOIATI Of INTWIOOICI ··- ··-- ---- --- ----------- -- ~- . ···- ··- - --· -- - • ---- .. ------ ___ ....,._ Intelligence Information Report COUNTRY USSH REPOP.TNO. 00-B-'321/0770')-72 · 10Apr72 SUBJECT Specw.ati ve Paper by li KardubeY and DATE OISTlt. /\ Sakharov on Charged Hus in Cpa.;.,e nt Cont'erenee on Orici,'13 or Lite, NO. PAGH 2 Armenia, 6-6 September 1971/IAw Scientific Level ot' Other S~v:let DCS Cue ST,026 Pnpers DATE Of INFO. 6-8 September 1911 PLACE & DATE ACQ. BY SOURCE Yerevan/6-6 September 1971 THr4i IS UNEVAWATEO INFORMATION SOURCE US cithen! fni1a report consists or edited abstracts trom a 1 etter recel ved from a reliable colleague who attended the Yerevan Conference, .. l, 2. At the Conference on the Origins of Lite in Yerevo.n, Armenia, $SR, 6-8 Septemher 1971, NS ~.ardashev, Ins titute for Sp~c~ Research, Moscov, r e ad an interesting but highly Dpeculative paper he had prepared on r.enera.l relativity and the possibility of a bod;f collap3inc into a black hole in apace. His co-author vas tbe internationally f81110us theoretica.l. physicist, Andrei D Su.harov. Y..o.rda.ohev iD very much like hi s superior and former teacher at the Institute, IS Shklovskiy, in his cq>proaeh to acientific problems. Ile is not at'raid to speculate in his effort to find a solution, The Kardnshev-Sakharov paper concerned the authors' study of vhat hnppene when a charged mass or bod,v collapses in space. Knrdn.:.hcv stnteci that, if it \·~re not cha.ri;ed, the mass would Just collnpse pas t the point of ~ravitational singularity and be gone forever. In other words, the mass vould close in on itself and have no more contact with t he outside ' i I l ·1 I I I I I I world. 'l'he Soviets speculated on what vould happen 1 f the mass were charged. '!'hey stated that t hen the mnse vould be o.ble to boW1ce. It would collapse but boW1ce back out. Hovcver, the mass will come back into n different part of space time. 3. After his presentation, Kardashev told a US attendee that Sakharov vo.s mo~tly interested in this charced mass phenomenon study becaus e it in d.i.catcs that the structure of space may be much more complicated than i s preaently thought. Kardashev vas interested i n the s t udy from t he vi evpoint or what implications it has for o.strophysi c~ , provided the basic pnysics of the phenomenon 1s correct, 'l'he US attendee f elt the a uthors • speculation vas a little fantastic and they had tllkcn off in Ii rather vild vo.y. lfovcver, he believed their paper vas grounded in e ood and sound physica, . I I . ' s 5 4 4 J J 2 2
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4. ‘The US attendee considers Kardashev to be very competent technically
and further to be very self-possessed. He recalled on incident in the i
spring of 1971 when Kardashev, L I Matveyenko and he visited Academician :
Lev Artsimovicn, secretary of the Academy's Department of General :
Physics and Astronomy. Matveyenko, Institute for Cosmic Research, is
a Conmunist Party member and very expert in political matters. He was
almost cringing in Artsimovich's presence whereas Kardashev was cool
; and confident in his businesselike discuss‘ons with the senior Academi-
cian. :
5. In seneral, the scientific level of wost of the Soviet papers nt this
Conference was not very high. One little know Soviet [source could not
recall his name) gave a very naive paper on the detectability of planets.
Another Soviet, who was a member of a committee the USSR has established
to investigate unusual phenomena, in other words, flying saucers, gave
a@ serious talk which was actually very humorous. His approach was,
"Well, of course, we know there isn't anything to this alleged phenome-
non (flying saucers), but on the other hand---." During this talk
Shklovskiy and other Soviets joked and laughed and obviously did nat
take the speaker's remarks seriously. Shklovskiy remarked later te 3
US attendee that the "flying saucer committee" consists of many poli-
ticians, theorists, historians and similar type people. It has little
if any scientific talent.
6. Shklovskiy gave a general, entertaining talk on wome interesting but
unimportant subject. Vitaliy L Ginzburg, one of the leading astronomers
in tne USSR, also gave a talk on the basis of physic:1 theory, that is,
the identification and comparison of fundamental assunotions in physics.
Ginzburr has a first rate mind and is sounder in his phrsics knowledce
than Ghklovskiy. Ginzburg thinks realistically, which wa: shown in ni:
answer to a US attendee's question about the Conference. “he Soviet
was asked whether the Conference was worthwhile in that it -.as mostly
devoted to theoretical subjects, very remote from tangible goals.
Ginzburg said, “Well, if it helps to build up support for the Soviet
reseorchers to ect new astronomical equipment, then certainly the Con-
Terence makes sense."
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