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FBI Detroit field office report on the November 7, 1957 interview of Wladyslaw Krasuski, a Polish former POW who described observing a circular, vertically rising vehicle inside a guarded enclosure near Gut Alt Golssen, Germany, in 1944.
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FBI Detroit field office report on the November 7, 1957 interview of Wladyslaw Krasuski, a Polish former POW who described observing a circular, vertically rising vehicle inside a guarded enclosure near Gut Alt Golssen, Germany, in 1944.
On November 6, 1957, FBI Director's office wired the Detroit SAC to interview Wladyslaw Krasuski after he wrote to Robert Cutler, Special Assistant to President Eisenhower, offering information related to a then-recent Texas UFO report. Special Agent Cassius Rathbun interviewed Krasuski the next day at 5457 Joseph Campau, Detroit, and recorded his account of a 1944 sighting at Gut Alt Golssen, roughly 30 miles east of Berlin, where as a POW he saw a circular vehicle 75 to 100 yards in diameter and about 14 feet high rise vertically out of a tarpaulin-walled enclosure while a tractor engine stalled and a high-pitched whine sounded. The interviewing agent reported no indication of irrational or abnormal behavior, and the case file (100-26505) was retained in Detroit. A 1966 letter from the Oklahoma UFO Research Association seeking Detroit-area sighting data is filed at the end; the SAC referred them to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
I MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROCKET IN TEXAS. I HEARD ABOUT IT ON THE POLISH RADIO PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TO WHOM I COULD SPEAK TO.p.8
News report of mysterious vehicle in Texas causing engines to stall prompted him to communicate with the United States Government concerning a similar phenomenon observed by him in 1944 in the area of Gut Alt Golssen.p.9
while enroute to work in a field a short distance north of Gut Alt Golssen, their tractor engine stalled on a road through a swamp area. No machinery or other vehicle was then visible although a noise was heard described as a high-pitched whine similar to that produced by a large electric generator.p.9
This vehicle, observed from approximately 500 feet, was described as circular in shape, 75 to 100 yards in diameter, and about 14 feet high, consisting of dark gray stationary top and bottom sections, five to six feet high. The approximate three foot middle section appeared to be a rapidly moving component producing a continuous blur similar to an aeroplane propeller, but extending the circumference of the vehicle so far as could be observed.p.10
Uninsulated metal, possibly copper, cables one and one-half inch to two inches in diameter, on and under the surface of the ground, in some places covered by water, were observed on this and previous occasions, apparently running between the enclosure and a small concrete column-like structure between the road and enclosure.p.10
No indication of irrational or otherwise abnormal behavior by KRASUSKI was observed during the interview.p.12
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1. Notes re: interview with WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI (rec'd 11/7/57( ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED on this envelope HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 5/22/85 BY SP-6 [ILLEGIBLE] 100-26505-1[ILLEGIBLE] SEARCHED ............ INDEXED SERIALIZED .......... FILED NOV 19 1957 FBI - DETROIT NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 2
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Post Office Box 2118
Detroit, Michigan 48231
October 11, 1966
Mr. Kerry Liesch
Director
The Oklahoma UFO
Research Association
3539 N.W. 53rd
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Dear Mr. Liesch:
This is to acknowledge your letter of October 2,
1966.
Please be advised that this office does not have
the information you have requested. It is possible that
the United States Air Force, Wright-Patterson Air Force
Base, Dayton, Ohio, may be the proper agency to contact.
Very truly yours,
[Signature]
Paul H. Stoddard
Special Agent in Charge
1-Addressee
1-Detroit (100-26505)
IRA:frq
(2)
ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED
HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED
DATE 5/13/85 BY [ILLEGIBLE]
100 626505-6
SEARCHED
SERIALIZED
INDEXED
FILED
NW 90290
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FD-245 (REV. 1-21-80) Screened by NARA [RF] 11-19-2025 FOIA # [REDACTED] DOCID: 3471459[ILLEGIBLE] U. S. Department of Justice [REDACTED] MUST NOT BE REMOVED FROM OR ADDED TO THIS FILE) Class / Case # 0100 26505 DE - DETROIT FBI - CENTRAL RECORDS CENTER BUREAU of INVESTIGATION Sub Vol. 1 Serial # 1 OPEN COPIED FOR FOIPA SERIALS REQUESTERS FULL NAME COMPUTER NUMBER DATE BY See also Nos. All Charest, Michael R. 245,974 5-31-85 Lee Closed Section NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 1
1. Notes re: interview with WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI (rec'd 11/7/57( ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED on this envelope HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 5/22/85 BY SP-6 [ILLEGIBLE] 100-26505-1[ILLEGIBLE] SEARCHED ............ INDEXED SERIALIZED .......... FILED NOV 19 1957 FBI - DETROIT NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 2
Date Received 11/7/57
From
(Name of contributor)
(Address of contributor)
By [ILLEGIBLE] (Name of Special Agent)
To Be Returned Yes ( )
No ( x )
Description:
File No. 100-26505-1a/
ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED in this envelope
HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED
DATE 5/22/85 BY [ILLEGIBLE]
notes re interview w
WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI 11/7/57
NW 90290
DocId:34714592 Page 3WA 27516 - 11/7/57 5457 Jos Campau post college run in 44 gone in 45 [SKETCH: concentric circles with cross/antenna symbol on left side] [SKETCH: elongated oval shapes with measurements] 5½ 3 5½ Berlin 25-35 mi (55) 5k yum [ILLEGIBLE] [SKETCH: vertical line with cross, oval shape, measurements] 44 - 45 2 km Gut Alt Golssen 55 Major 50 | high gas 100-150 gas [SKETCH: spiral circular shape] [SKETCH: circular/disc shape with wavy lines] [SKETCH: diamond/square shape with (55) inside] Berlin H[ILLEGIBLE] ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 5/22/85 BY SP6 [ILLEGIBLE] NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 4
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Interview w/ WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI 11/7/57
100 - 26505
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DocId:34714592 Page 5Franciszek Grabowski NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 6
Record Request
FD-125 (5-27-55)
[ ] Birth [ ] Credit [x] Criminal [ ] Motor Vehicle
[ ] Death [ ] Marriage* [ ] INS
To:
Return to: Rathbun
File number
100 -26505
Buded
Name and aliases of subject, applicant or employee & spouse
WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI
aka WALTER h
Addresses
Residence 5457 Jos Campau.
Business Grupe [ILLEGIBLE] Brewery
Former
*Date and place of marriage
(if pertinent)
Race Sex Birth date Birthplace
[x] Male
W [ ] Female
FOIA(b)(6)
Age Height Weight Hair Eyes
Arrest Number Fingerprint Classification
Criminal Specialty
Specific information desired
any record
(See reverse side for results of check)
NW 90290
DocId:34714592 Page 7URGENT 11-6-57 5-40 PM CS
TO SAC, DETROIT
FROM DIRECTOR 1P
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS, IS-X. MR. W. KIASUSKI, Complainant
[ILLEGIBLE] 7
FIVE FOUR FIVE SEVEN JOS. CAMPAU, DETROIT ELEVEN MICHIGAN,
ADDRESSED LETTER DATED NOVEMBER FOURTH TO ROBERT CUTLER,
WHO IS SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT, STATING QUOTE I
MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROCKET IN TEXAS. I
HEARD ABOUT IT ON THE POLISH RADIO PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE
TO KNOW TO WHOM I COULD SPEAK TO. UNQUOTE. IMMEDIATELY
INTERVIEW KIASUSKI FOR ANY INFORMATION HE MAY HAVE. BUFILES
REFLECT NO INFORMATION RE KIASUSKI. SUTEL.
ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED
HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED
DATE 5/22/85 BY [ILLEGIBLE]
END ACK PLS
OK FBI DE JH
SA advised 5:45 pm 11/6/57 [ILLEGIBLE]
[ILLEGIBLE] Smith [ILLEGIBLE] - N[ILLEGIBLE]
Nm [ILLEGIBLE] 1. [ILLEGIBLE]
2. Set up appointment
for a.m. - Not [ILLEGIBLE]
[ILLEGIBLE]
no phone [ILLEGIBLE]
no x cross
11/7/57
100-26505-1
SEARCHED INDEXED
SERIALIZED FILED
NOV 6 1957
FBI - DETROIT
Rathbun
NW 90290
DocId:34714592 Page 8Detroit 31, Michigan
November 7, 1957
ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED
HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED
DATE 5/22/85 BY [ILLEGIBLE]
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
In response to a letter directed by him to Mr.
Robert Cutler, Special Assistant to President Dwight D.
Eisenhower, reflecting that he "might have some information
about the rocket in Texas," Wladyslaw Krasuski, 5457
Joseph Campau, Detroit, was interviewed November 7, 1957,
and furnished the following information:
Born [REDACTED] in the State of [REDACTED],
Krasuski was brought from Poland as a Prisoner of War to
Gut Alt Golssen, approximately 30 miles east of Berlin, Germany,
in May, 1942, where he remained until a few weeks after the
end of World War II. He spent the following years at
Displaced Persons Camps at Kork, Strasburg, Offenburg, Milheim
and Freiburg, Germany. He attended a radio technician school
at Freiburg and for about a year was employed in a textile
mill at Laurachbaden, Germany. He arrived in the United
States at New York, May 2, 1951, via the "S.S. General Stewart"
as a Displaced Person, destined to the Reverend Father Petro
Walkowiak, Hamtramck, Michigan; his alien registration number -
(b)(6) [REDACTED].
Since May, 1951, he has been employed at the Gobel
Brewery, Detroit.
News report of mysterious vehicle in Texas causing
engines to stall prompted him to communicate with the
United States Government concerning a similar phenomenon
observed by him in 1944 in the area of Gut Alt Golssen.
According to Krasuski, during 1944, month not recalled,
while enroute to work in a field a short distance north of
Gut Alt Golssen, their tractor engine stalled on a road through
a swamp area. No machinery or other vehicle was then visible
although a noise was heard described as a high-pitched whine
similar to that produced by a large electric generator.
5 - Bureau (RM)
1 - Detroit (100-26505)
CR:JLK
(6)
[Signature]
100-26505-2
Searched
Serialized
Indexed
Filed
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DocId:34714592 Page 9An "SS" guard appeared and talked briefly with the German
driver of the tractor, who waited five to ten minutes,
after which the noise stopped and the tractor engine was
started normally. Approximately 3 hours later in the same
swamp area, but away from the road where the work crew was
cutting "hay", he surreptitiously, because of the German
in charge of the crew and "SS" guards in the otherwise deserted
area, observed a circular enclosure approximately 100 to
150 yards in diameter protected from viewers by a tarpaulin-
type wall approximately 50 feet high, from which a vehicle
was observed to slowly rise vertically to a height sufficient
to clear the wall and then to move slowly horizontally a
short distance out of his view, which was obstructed by
nearby trees.
This vehicle, observed from approximately
500 feet, was described as circular in shape, 75 to 100
yards in diameter, and about 14 feet high, consisting of
dark gray stationary top and bottom sections, five to six
feet high. The approximate three foot middle section appeared
to be a rapidly moving component producing a continuous blur
similar to an aeroplane propeller, but extending the cir-
cumference of the vehicle so far as could be observed. The
noise emanating from the vehicle was similar but of somewhat
lower pitch than the noise previously heard. The engine of
the tractor again stalled on this occasion and no effort
was made by the German driver to start the engine until the
noise stopped, after which the engine started normally.
Uninsulated metal, possibly copper,
cables one and one-half inch to two inches in diameter, on
and under the surface of the ground, in some places covered
by water, were observed on this and previous occasions,
apparently running between the enclosure and a small
concrete column-like structure between the road and enclosure.
This area was not visited by Krasuski
again until shortly after the end of World War II, when it
was observed the cables had been removed and the previous
locations of the concrete structure and the enclosure were
covered by water. Krasuski stated he has not been in
communication since 1945 with any of the work crew of 16
or 18 men, consisting of Russian, French and Polish POWs,
who had discussed this incident among themselves many times.
However, of these, Krasuski was able to recall by name
only Franciszek Grabowski, no address known, described as
then about 50 years of age and presumed by Krasuski to have
returned to Poland after 1945.
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DocId:34714592 Page 10This report is loaned to you by the FBI, and neither it nor its contents are to be distributed outside your agency. -3- NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 11
11/7/57 AIRTEL AMSD - RM TO: DIRECTOR, FBI FROM: SAC, DETROIT (100-26505) UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS; IS - X. ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 5/22/85 BY [ILLEGIBLE] Re Detroit Teletype to Bureau, 11/7/57, captioned "UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS; IS - X." Interview of WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI, aka. WALTER KRASUSKI, reported in Blank Memo, five copies of which are enclosed herewith for the Bureau, was conducted by SA CASSIUS RATHBUN. No indication of irrational or otherwise abnormal behavior by KRASUSKI was observed during the interview. KRASUSKI advised that his communication was directed to Mr. ROBERT CUTLER rather than to President EISENHOWER after seeing Mr. CUTLER's picture and identification with the President's Office in a local paper. KRASUSKI resides with his wife, nee JOANN WISNIEWSKI, married in 1952 at Detroit, and four small children, in a single residence in an old Polish neighborhood at 5457 Jos. Campau Avenue, Detroit. No previous record located in Detroit Indices identifiable with KRASUSKI or his wife. On 11/7/57, WILLIAM RECKNAGEL, Manager, advised IG PAUL DESMOND that records of the Mich. Merchants Credit Association, reflect only credit inquiries concerning WALTER KRASUSKI during 6/56 and 3/57 and 6/57, which confirm his local address and employment. 3 - Bureau (Encls.5)(RM) [ILLEGIBLE] - Detroit CR:JLK (4) [Signature] 100-26505-3 Searched Serialized Indexed Filed NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 12
FD-36 (Rev. 3-13-56)
F B I
Date: 11/7/57
Transmit the following message via TELETYPE
URGENT
(Priority or Method of Mailing)
TO: DIRECTOR, FBI
FROM: SAC, DETROIT
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS; IS - X.
ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED
HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED
DATE 5/20/85 BY SP6 [ILLEGIBLE]
REBUTEL NOV. SIX LAST. WLAYSLAW KRASUSKI, AKA. WALTER KRASUSKI,
[REDACTED] WAS
FOIA(b)(6)
GERMAN POW MAY, NINETEEN FORTY TWO, UNTIL SUMMER OF NINETEEN
FOURTY FIVE. ARRIVED NY MAY TWO, NINETEEN FIFTY ONE, AS DP,
AR NO. (b)(6) [REDACTED]. KRASUSKI UPON
INTERVIEW ADVISED THAT WHILE GERMAN POW DURING NINETEEN FORTY FOUR,
OBSERVED A VEHICLE DESCRIBED AS CIRCULAR IN SHAPE, SEVENTY FIVE
TO ONE HUNDRED YARDS IN DIAMETER, APPROXIMATELY FOURTEEN FEET
HIGH. THE VEHICLE WAS OBSERVED TO SLOWLY RISE VERTICALLY TO
HEIGHTS SUFFICIENT TO CLEAR FIFTY FOOT WALL AND TO MOVE SLOWLY
HORIZONTALLY A SHORT DISTANCE OUT OF VIEW OBSTRUCTED BY TREES.
ENGINE OF TRACTOR FAILED TO OPERATE DURING THIS PERIOD AND ONE
SEVERAL OTHER OCCASIONS WHEN HIGH PITCHED WHINING NOISE HEARD
IN AREA. NO INDICATION OF MENTAL INSTABILITY DURING INTERVIEW.
FURTHER DETAILS FOLLOW AMSD.
WLS:JLK
DE 100-26505
(1)
[Signature]
100-26505-4
Searched
Serialized
Indexed
Filed
Approved: ________________
Special Agent in Charge
Sent 4:55 P M Per [ILLEGIBLE]
NW 90290
DocId:34714592 Page 13The Oklahoma UFO Research Association Kerry Liesch, Director Bob Stamps, Co-Director 3539 N. W. 53rd 5024 N. W. 20th Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Oklahoma City, Oklahoma October 2, 1966 FBI OFFICE 913 Federal Building Detroit, Michigan Dear Sirs: My organization would appreciate any information that you could send us on Unidentified Flying Objects, specifically those sightings in your area in early spring of this year. We will greatly appreciate any information that you could send us on this subject. I thank you for your time and co-operation. Sincerely: Kerry Liesch Director, O.U.F.O.R.A. KKL/lw ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 5/13/85 BY [ILLEGIBLE] 5-100-26505-5 SEARCHED INDEXED SERIALIZED FILED OCT 7 1966 FBI - DETROIT NW 90290 DocId:34714592 Page 14
Post Office Box 2118
Detroit, Michigan 48231
October 11, 1966
Mr. Kerry Liesch
Director
The Oklahoma UFO
Research Association
3539 N.W. 53rd
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Dear Mr. Liesch:
This is to acknowledge your letter of October 2,
1966.
Please be advised that this office does not have
the information you have requested. It is possible that
the United States Air Force, Wright-Patterson Air Force
Base, Dayton, Ohio, may be the proper agency to contact.
Very truly yours,
[Signature]
Paul H. Stoddard
Special Agent in Charge
1-Addressee
1-Detroit (100-26505)
IRA:frq
(2)
ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED
HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED
DATE 5/13/85 BY [ILLEGIBLE]
100 626505-6
SEARCHED
SERIALIZED
INDEXED
FILED
NW 90290
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