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- 1 of 3 - FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date ofentry 04 . /2024 in - . , was intervi ewe Agent , s - - - · - was referred to the FBI by ~ After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, - provided the following information : - stated that starting in October 2023, a l ot of pilots have been seeing the same event occurring, namely seeing lights in the sky. Pilots have been discussing the events over Pi l ots typical l y saw them between midnight and 3 AM. - did not know if the events occurred at that time because that was when it was dark enough or if it was because that was when the l i ghts were present. - first observation of the lights occurred in October 2023. - was flying from Boston, MA to Dublin, Ireland where he saw the l ights in the northeast towards Gander, Canada. - was at an elevation of 37,000 feet and believed the lights were h i gher than him, probably at 50,000 feet or higher . The lights were white in color, would start out as dim, and get br i ghter before they eventua l ly faded out . The fu l l cycle of the lights would range from 10 seconds to one minute. The l ights looked like airp l ane landing lights, but - knew that it was not them, nor did he think it was - Investigation on by This document contains neither recommendatiollll nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.
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FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) ContinuationofFD-302of ■ Interview of - __________ ,On 03 . /2024 ,Page 2 of 3 Starlink, Starlink flares, satell i tes, or meteors. I t ranged between one to four lights at a time in the sky . Some lights did not move , while others moved in straight lines, somet i mes changing direction, and typically did not move in a coordinated fashion. Since spotting the lights the first time, - has seen them approximately ten times . At times the lights would disappear for mi nutes before returning. - has seen the lights for 45 minutes up to two hours . - has seen the lights in all directions except for towards the south. - saw the lights three times in the direction of North Dakota while flying to either Seattle or Phoenix. He has also seen them off the west coast and mid-Atlantic coast. - d i d not know how far away they were but ventured the y were between 200-500 miles away. - never saw the lights below the horizon a nd had not heard about them prior to October 2023 . During a trip on February _ , 2024, - was able to capture video on his Samsung Galaxy S22 phone an event involving white lights. - stated the lights were brighter in-person than on the camera, and the lights were similar in elevation to him or were slightly higher . The video is filmed from the cockpit of his aircraft with the lights turned off . - was located approximately 150 miles northwest of Minneapolis, Minnesota and was flying towards the east. The lights were seen towards the north in the North Dakota region at around 4:36 AM Eastern Standard Time on a clear night . - As captured on the video, white lights were seen , sometimes ten or more present at once, moving around in straight lines a nd getting bri ghter/dimmer. At the 3:27 mark i n the video, - was not sure if two of the lights were really close together or if it was a single light with a tail. At the 3 : 47 mark, - did not know if it was three separate lights . At the 5 :22 mark you can see the flight panel, showing that the airplane was traveling at approximately .80 Mach, and that the airplane was 40 - 50 miles northeast of Sioux Fal l s and coul d see the KFSD airport on the radar. - never felt unsafe from the white lights, and did not believe the lights were within 100 miles of him . A thi rd event that - witnessed occurred back i n June 2002. While as a reservist , - got activated to go to Afghanistan. One -
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FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) - ContinuationofFD-302of ■ Inter view of __________ ,On 03 . /2024 ,Page 3 of 3 night he was outside looking at the stars with another pilot. At approximately 4:30 AM local time, - noticed that the stars were getting blacked out over Bagram . It appeared as if something huge went overhead, from west to east, and was an equilateral triangle shape. The object was moving silently, at a consistent speed and altitude , possibly 150 knots , with no lights visible. - estimated it was 500 feet in size, but he could not fully see the shape of the object. The other pilot with - also observed the triangle, and when it passed over stated, "did you see that?" - stated he did not further discuss the sighting with anyone else nor did he hear anyone else discussing the sighting . Looking through the data, - never found information that could explain what he saw in Afghan istan in not aware of anything that would explain what he had seen. Overall, - believed that not a lot of discussions were happening openly about the events with the lights . - did not think there was as much st i gma surrounding these events, but people were just not used to talking about it. -